Need immediate assistance with first deployment of Tsunami Super Wave Trigger in museum exhibit

I am having a .wav file playback issue on kiosk-style setup using a Tsunami. I have seven, backlit, vendor-machine style buttons, wired in series with a two-wire trigger coming down from each one. I then have the triggers soldered to seven of the input channels on the board (9-15 in this case) and my plan was to audio out through the 3.5mm output on the board, which I can hear activated through the Sony A/V Receiver, pro bookshelf speakers and sub inside of the cabinet.

The idea is to press one the seven buttons to hear a 10sec .wav file audio clip. I reviewed the stereo and mono versions of the files sent to me with Audacity and they apper fine, and I renamed them corresponding to input - 009_Number.wav, 101_Number, etc. I cant get any audible playback from anything, and I tried the Tsunami Wav, Tsunami Stereo and Tsunami Mono versions of the software just in case.

HELP! This is a major corporation and my brand reputation is under a microscope. I had faith that Tsunami would be the perfect solution for this application, but I don’t know what the final piece of the puzzle is that I’m missing.

I’m on the line with Jamie Robertson as well, casting a wide net to get this done! He told me that the file needed to be 44.1kHz, 16-bit mono to play properly as configured with the software, but I’m getting pushback from the client that they don’t want to do that and will bring in someone to replace this solution with an Arduino-driven one. This is a huge hit for the reputation of my company, and I’m mad as heck right now over this!

Gratefully for any help, happy to jump on a call or text, or to send more images or files….Whatever it takes!

Thank you,

Jay

Do you have the stereo or mono firmware loaded on the tsunami? Stereo firmware won’t play mono files and the mono firmware won’t play stereo files. The default firmware the board ships with should be the stereo firmware so unless you’ve changed it, you will need stereo files.

Is there any metadata in your files? If there is, they won’t play. The video below shows how to strip out metadata from your files with Audacity.

You might also have a look at the Sparkfun hookup guide and Robertsonics user guide, both have information that should be helpful.

Oh, your setup looks great, nice and clean!

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Do you not have copies of the client’s audio files or trying to do this remote or something?

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I do have source files provided by the client in both stereo and mono @brow. What I will say about the firmware @YellwoDog is that I haven’t changed it from what it was received with (ordered and shipped about a week ago from SparkFun) and I’ve tried uploading in all three variations of the software, ie: wav, stereo and mono, utilizing the stereo and ono versions of the wav files provided. You may have helped me identify a cause if there is additional metadata in the files, I will look at them in Audacity shortly abd advise appropriately.

Thanks for your feedback!

I watched the video provided @YellowDog but don’t have an exact match in his reference to saving the file type. Any advice on which one I should select given the lack of a “WAV (Microsoft) signed 32-bit PCM” as the video indicates?

Thanks!

These are the options my Version of Audacity currently displays…

If this were my project, I’d get it to a baseline working state with the stereo FW and the demo wav files. Then, assured that the device & firmware is ok, my focus can remain steady on the client’s file conversions.

Almost at bottom, pianodemo.zip:

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I’m not anyplace where I can load up the latest version of audacity to try, but give the “microsoft” entry a try and see if it works.

My guess is they changed the user interface in audacity since the video was made but it’s still the correct settings.

Just downloaded latest version of Audacity. Now it’s: File→Export Audio→Export to Computer.

Format: WAV(Microsoft)

Channels: Mono or Stereo

Sample Rate: 44100

Encoding: Signed 16-bit PCM

There’s an “Edit Metadata” button in the lower left that’ll let you delete any metadata if there is any.

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Well, because of the perceived difficulty I was having with the board, I’ve been asked to pull off the project. I am extremely disappointed in my inability to deploy this solution as quickly as I expected it to be going in from the provided instructions I was given. I’m a “old-school” geek, I started my company twenty-five ago in analog world with a soldering gun with me on a daily basis. I wasn’t at all intimidated by it, but between the inconsistency in the provided documentation and the inability to access immediate support (you all are great but when you’re in a tens of millions of dollars deployment and all eyeballs are on you not having someone to get on a call or remote session with really put me in a bad spot) reflected poorly on my company at absolutely the worst time.

I’m still going to experiment with the feedback in those last replies (THANK YOU) but I wouldn’t be surprised if the hired gun is there in the morning and the board will be long gone…Bummer.

Please do let us know the “inconsistencies in the provided documentation.” We’d certainly like to fix them. As for support, I responded almost immediately to your direct emails, and provided information already contained either the manual or the Hookup Guide. Sorry it didn’t work out.

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It seems we’re all disappointed in that regard. It doesn’t appear to me that you tried anything at all.

Yes, it was a super disappointing experience. In response to Jamie’s post, the fact that I’ve had to bounce this off of the different resources to determine definitively what the files should be is enough confusion to cause someone like myself, as a first user of the product to second guess and be wrong. The path should be more clearly defined and absolute, not the way it is with just enough variation and vagueness, and although the correct information can eventually be found in forums, the next day may as well be my next life with the embarrassment I faced on this project in terms of time to get a response. I work with several premiere product lines that provide either 24/7 or response within an hour, that’s “nearly immediate”. Do I think that you build a great product, Jamie, yes. Do I believe that with enough of them I would become more proficient, yes. But perhaps there should be more of a disclaimer in the intro that if you’re a first-time user of Tsunami you need to determine a few things with absolute certainty. For example, I had .wav files that did appear good because they played too this amp and speakers via Bluetooth from my phone. It wasn’t until I found the renaming issue that I noticed in Audacity that they were 48.4kHz and not 44.1. Even after renaming, I didn’t spot the metadata on a few of them (most of them had none) but that was more experimenting than instruction. It’s tough, I understand that you approach this from the Electrical Engineering side, most of us mere mortals don’t deal with these every day but still want to offer our clients creative and unique solutions like this, but not at the cost of our sanity. :slight_smile:

As an outsider, it sounds to me like you’re attempting to use hobbyist level gear with which you have no familiarity in a high stakes project with insufficient time and skills to work out the bugs. Perhaps you should adjust your expectations.

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With all due respect, there’s not a single issue that tripped you up that isn’t thoroughly documented. The main requirement for a first time user is to first read the available documentation. There’s the User Manual, and SparkFun has done a marvelous job of creating a detailed Hookup Guide that walks you through the entire process. The file requirements are noted not only in the User Manual and Hookup Guide (see the “Prepare the uSD Card” page), it is also literally the first bullet point in the Product Specifications. When you sent me an audio file to troubleshoot, I pointed out to you that it was 48kHz, 24-bit and would therefore not work.

I’m writing this because I don’t want readers here to get impression that there’s not adequate documentation - you seemingly didn’t take (or have) the time to read it carefully.

Regarding immediate, 24/7 live phone support, perhaps this is unreasonable to expect for a $96 product. Your multi-million dollar project would have been better served by pro-level/industrial products from the likes of QSC, Alcorn McBride and others, and/or by hiring a consultant with the appropriate skill set. Despite that, between direct emails from me, and the folks here on the forum, we all jumped in and tried to help you with pretty quick turnaround.

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With all due respect to both you and to first time users of the product, it is important to point out that you can’t underestimate the time necessary for testing and preparation as a first time user of the product. I don’t want the typed format to lack the tone I have in this thread, I am a long-time industry veteran such as yourself. We come from different disciplines obviously, but my position comes with absolute understanding and respect for yours.

What matters most in this case is that I underestimated the product and the necessity to intake what became hours of information in order to deploy a product that for $96 (to your point) should in theory be much easier not harder (not said as a negative just as a reference towards how it was sold) to deploy. It is admittedly a catch-22 in that regard, and NONE of my commentary is meant to dissuade potential buyers from using it. The emphasis to note is that regardless of experience level, without taking the time to frontload a project with the correct file-formatting and reassurance of firmware included on your particular board you will encounter the speed bumps I did.

Jamie, I’m not IN ANY WAY saying that I wasn’t happy with the product. To me, and I hope that you were able to discern this from my messages, my inner geek was enjoying the process of learning something new. I wanted nothing more than to be given a little more time on this project so that I could see it through. Where other custom technology integrators need to be more attentive moving forward is knowing that this product is extremely precise in its requirements both in input and output, and the face value of what a .wav file appears to be can be misleading.

Hindsight is 20/20, and if I were given the benefit of it prior to the project I would have engaged with you directly a few days earlier. Perhaps, and this just a perhaps, more inference from the product seller that if you are indeed a first time installer of the product (I did offer that fact to the sales department when I ordered it on the phone) should trigger them to alert you to the time you will need to ingest all of the documentation. I say this half-heartedly with a bit of humor Jamie, if I knew what I was up against with this “little engine that could” tsunami I would have been humbled more in planning ahead for the hours of time truly needed to understand your methodology and how to apply it. Whether you know it or not, there is just enough info in the Google-sphere to throw off the scent if you will when you’re looking for definitive info.

Quite literally, take this thread into account. Look at the hours between the responses. If nothing else, I would appreciate it if you considered the rare case (as apparently it is) that a very talented, and capable expert, deeply certified and accredited custom technology integrator with a deep skill set (I’m not offended by your choice of words in your reply but the inference is pretty obvious) like myself is engaged on a project site with your product and needs to have answers within minutes, not hours. If I were tinkering in my basement, or had the luxury of more time going into the project, I would have hit it out of the park…I’m certain of that! My first message to your company email clearly stated the position I was in at the time. I certainly appreciated your reply the next day from the conference you were attending, by then I was knee-deep in having read other content online and that didn’t help the mental rabbit hole I was getting myself into. For the record, I will 100% acknowledge that my visual acuity and shaky hands at 55 forced to take a lot longer than planned to solder the seventeen wires required, so my initial plan to deploy software on a Friday was pushed to a Sunday instead.

The focus should perhaps be on alerting the sales channel to be more inquisitive with the first-time buyer in asking the right questions and giving the appropriate advice on how to prep. There is nothing wrong with me stating that and still having respect for the product. You had a twenty-five year industry veteran and 2025 CEPro Top100 Integrator pulling out his dusty soldering gear and Audacity chops at the same time - also said with more humor than anything. All I’m trying to emphasize is that it would go a long way for those in need of the product be given some sort of a more definitive messaging that if you’re working with third-party files you MUST be certain of format before you proceed that the files are 44.1kHz, 16-bit mono. I 'll never make that mistake again I assure you :wink: Look for yourself, if you google it you will see different recommendations from different sources, giving someone in my position just enough smoke to not see absolute truth I know it to be now. I was floundering, and I rarely put myself in a position to flounder in my career so the time that it took to get responses were a lot more significant than they would have been ofr most people otherwise.

My case study is quite unique, I know that, and accept that. The Tsunami Wave Trigger Pro is a fantastic choice for me as a drummer looking to have fun with drum-trigger effects or MIDI work, but also for the theory I had in that I could use it to play saved .wav files out through a 3.5mm out to a line-level input and then into an A/V Receiver for speaker level output. For the money it has a lot of flexibility in its feature set, and seems to be quite durable, and I would recommend to anyone who needs this type of solution. That said, it is one of those products where “reading the fine print” is absolutely essential. You can’t improvise, you can’t guess, you can’t assume. You MUST be certain, as we must be with other disciplines in our industry such as Ohm’s Law or POE budgets on a switch.

Most people won’t take the time to go into that much detail, and it is my utmost hope that you take that as the intended desire to help that it originates from. You seem to be a great guy, and you have my respect as an inventor and engineering genius.

And to answer your comment @darrellg to say that I had no familiarity with this gear would be false. I had actually used the original incarnations of Robertsonics boards as well as the other popular name we all know in this space several times over the years in musical instrument applications for performance or recording. It was the first time that I thought to use it for this specific solution, but had the confidence from my past experience that it would suit the need…If that makes sense. Trust me, my expectations have been adjusted. Thank you for the comment.

I don’t want to seem rude but this thread is a tad ridiculous. Just a tad though. I do not agree with the disparaging portions, I do appreciate the efforts of all involved.

The response above referencing it being a nascent experience was because you stated you were a first-time user. I’m not sure what type of case-study worth millions of dollars only warrants a cursory stab across 4 days while ignoring the provided documentation, but that would’ve been like Plan D for myself…though admittedly I’m far from an expert! I do struggle to envision a scenario where getting a headstart and subsequent known-good working model wasn’t possible before even the Friday before the Sunday before the floundering…though perhaps the short turnaround is something the company specializes in?

FWIW we do guarantee a 3-day turnaround time for support responses, and we consistently beat that by a LOT…as mentioned above we sell ~4000 open-source hobbyist products that allow the experimentation that flummoxed this project (as each have their own quirks!) but there were at least 4 opportunities to glean the pertinent info (product page, our guide, user manual, and the direct email from Robertsonics)…missing all 4 avenues is what caused said floundering by my estimate. Support wouldn’t have been needed in the first place if this was approached with due diligence, y’know?

Please also realize that sales cautioning to read our docs wouldn’t have mattered as far as I can tell, as you went to googling instead, and the (over)confidence from the previous project was likely why you might not have had the foresight to ask’m intime to make use of it…but even then, the sales team is largely equipped to assist in product selection, not the specifics of their implementation, generally. That’s what we use the forums for.

My general advice would be to expect enterprise-level support from vendors that offer it, but even then…follow the provided docs.

Finally: this also might’ve been solved even faster with a search for ‘tsunami’ threads here on the forums, where you can see the problems other folks have run into (and solved!). I’d estimate 1/10 such tsunami topics are related to formatting issues :-/

Best of luck :crossed_fingers:! I’m likely going to close this thread/topic by tomorrow.

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Wow… I can so feel the love here! There are three sides to every story in my opinion, my commentary is only meant to help improve what is already a good product and service by sharing my unique experience. My apologies if that brought out the defensive posturing across the board, that certainly wasn’t my intent. If my perspective and feedback is only the spark more persistent clarity for those interested in the product moving THAT’S GREAT! Seriously, I firmly believe that I stated my impressions of the product overall and of Robertsonics inventive genius. It is quite telling to not see anything in a more sympathetic line of thinking, as I always do my best to put myself in my clients’ shoes if I get a service request call.

There is a distinct benefit to being in a sales channel role vs someone who is actually client-facing and dependent on the products we select. That being said, have you seen me even once say that I wouldn’t choose this product again, or that I was demanding a refund, no. As I said in the previous thread, hindsight is 20/20, and I’m glad that I know what I know now because this situation will never happen again I assure you.

Thank you for your feedback @TS-Russell

Do you think a few more days would have helped?

During the week(!) I’ve been monitoring this thread, it didn’t appear to me that you did one single constructive thing to solve your problem, to troubleshoot, to clearly answer important questions here on the forums and that was before I even knew about the one-on-one close personal support from MFG. It’s frustrating because we take the good faith effort to read and understand the questions and problems, research/provide responses, ideas, and solutions and they were discarded, dismissed, delayed, distracted but, most importantly, not addressed. “I tried nothing and it didn’t work.” And now that you’re fired, your return to the vine with a public complaint of sour grapes isn’t a very good image.

I don’t work here and don’t have to be so polite and can say what we’re all wondering: How did you get this museum project job and, after it was mistakenly offered to you, why did you agree to take it? How did the otherwise kickass kiosk develop so well and the audio fall so far behind? If you had the week(!) back, what would you do differently? With the Tsunami so overwhelmingly difficult to use, which device will you select for the noisemaking trigger role in your next project?

You still refuse to understand the implied message here. This product ultimately would have worked very well, I’m convinced of that. It was the 36hrs of getting the finite instructions that set me up for for failure with this client. Instead of bashing me in these last thread responses, and using the terminology of being “fired” which I wasn’t - and could certainly find a defamation in those statements, I agreed to work with another provider for this corporation who regularly uses Arduino and could bring the limitations of my work over the finish line. I was, and still am dedicated to proving them wrong in their rejection of the Tsunami product despite my insistence that it was the best choice given the requirement was still the correct choice, but in terms of my ability level over the last twenty-five years in the business I’m befuddled as to how you and your keyboard bashing bunch can’t just be a little more gracious to me in taking ownership to assist someone who was obviously on a project where it was one or two quick steps away from resolution and had not lost faith in the board itself.