the size problem could be for many reasons, are there overhanging components?
I am having trouble keeping up with viewing files (the identifying / downloading / viewing / measureing / replying while i am very busy) so if we cant sort it here, i will find the file.
Also, what was the error? in a ground pour / fill? the images in the email should show u the problem
I’ve noticed (in EAGLE), if you attempt to write “Vector”-type text onto a pour layer (ie: Top or Bottom), the EAGLE DRC will “know” that it is text, but the BatchPCB checker will just see it as traces. It is very easy for this type of text to violate the 8 mil rule…
Nleah -
The DRC bot is pretty stupid and is meant to filter out A LOT of designs.
We let all sorts of stuff slide in the past due to labor constraints. Something that may have snuck through last time may not pass now.
Don’t worry. We don’t make your board until you pay us 
We’re already seeing 20-30 DRC hits per day just from people checking designs - I love it!
I’ll check the size problem.
Caffeiene - you’re using protel. Turn on all your layers. You’ll see a huge dimensional layer pop up with ruler ticks and all sorts of stuff. This may be what’s getting through to the size script. Get Viewmate and pre-inspect your design.
I just checked your Retry2 and it sized perfectly at 15.94 sq inch.
-Nathan
The error was "Unfortunately your design (m162) violates our design rules of 8mil traces with 8mil spacing. Your design has now been deleted.pittuck:
the size problem could be for many reasons, are there overhanging components?I am having trouble keeping up with viewing files (the identifying / downloading / viewing / measureing / replying while i am very busy) so if we cant sort it here, i will find the file.
Also, what was the error? in a ground pour / fill? the images in the email should show u the problem
Top DRC Errors: 0 Bottom DRC Errors: 124"
It didn’t seem to like the ground plane - which has a spacing of 8mil. I’m running an 8mil drc check and it passes with flying colors. Problems on your end.
Some of the silkscreen goes past the board edge - but no actual components/traces/copper are outside of the border edge.
I’ve submitted a design several times over the last few days and have received no email from BatchPCB.com. I’ve checked my email address - it’s correct - it also hasn’t changed since the beta testing was first begun.
Don
if you're using hotmail - it treats them as spam...donblake:
I’ve submitted a design several times over the last few days and have received no email from BatchPCB.com. I’ve checked my email address - it’s correct - it also hasn’t changed since the beta testing was first begun.Don
Spam email - good to know!
Gerbers get translated in all sorts of ways. Using Protel DRC - our inhouse designs will pass with flying colors. Once we open the same design under Protel->Camtastic, it fails DRC. I cannot explain it. Our process is not going to be for everyone but it is what we’ve got to keep in place.
-Nathan
sparky:
Caffeiene - you’re using protel. Turn on all your layers. You’ll see a huge dimensional layer pop up with ruler ticks and all sorts of stuff. This may be what’s getting through to the size script. Get Viewmate and pre-inspect your design.I just checked your Retry2 and it sized perfectly at 15.94 sq inch.
-Nathan
Yep, retry2 works perfectly. The problems I’m having at the moment are with ‘Puck’, which works out at 8 square inches when in fact it’s less than 3. The images below are from protel and then the gerbers in camtastic. I’ve turned on all layers, even the disabled ones. It’s a very simple board. I’m not looking at getting it made yet, but I thought I’d bounce it off the bot to see how it looks. I figure it maybe useful for you guys to squash some bugs too.
Protel : http://www.cafftech.com/picture_library/Puck_Protel.jpg
Camtastic : http://www.cafftech.com/picture_library … tastic.jpg
The other error I’m seeing is with Dakiller_1, the bot times out after specifying the layers (30 second timeout exceeded) I’ve mentioned this one before, and it’s a board I will be ordering as soon as I can get it past the bot.
NleahciM:
The error was "Unfortunately your design (m162) violates our design rules of 8mil traces with 8mil spacing. Your design has now been deleted.pittuck:
the size problem could be for many reasons, are there overhanging components?I am having trouble keeping up with viewing files (the identifying / downloading / viewing / measureing / replying while i am very busy) so if we cant sort it here, i will find the file.
Also, what was the error? in a ground pour / fill? the images in the email should show u the problem
Top DRC Errors: 0 Bottom DRC Errors: 124"
It didn’t seem to like the ground plane - which has a spacing of 8mil. I’m running an 8mil drc check and it passes with flying colors. Problems on your end.
Some of the silkscreen goes past the board edge - but no actual components/traces/copper are outside of the border edge.
Try your groundplane with a spaceing of 14 or 12 mil, that usually lets the bot pass it as a valid design.
Puck bug should be taken care of. See other post (http://www.sparkfun.com/cgi-bin/phpbb/v … 7&start=15)
Dakiller_1: I’ll see if I can replicate the timeout.
-Nathan
Dakiller is adequately named. I’ve stripped and thoroughly cleaned the size script with no luck. Your board kills the 30s max time.
Guess what. I need to get PHP installed on the DRC bot. This way we will have no limit (well, a few minutes anyway) and way more processing power.
Dakiller is going to be a no-go for the moment.
-Nathan
Golly! Anything I can do to the board to make it simpler? It’s originally an older version of Protel format, imported into 2004, then exported to camtastic and then to gerber 
Nope - not using hotmail. I'm using the same address I used for the initial testing starting back on 07 September. All of a sudden, I'm not getting any email back after submitting a design.NleahciM:
if you're using hotmail - it treats them as spam...donblake:
I’ve submitted a design several times over the last few days and have received no email from BatchPCB.com. I’ve checked my email address - it’s correct - it also hasn’t changed since the beta testing was first begun.Don
Don
Nope - it’s not the design that is the problem. Well, not really.
Your gerber bottom layer is nearly 68000 lines of text. The size script can process the entire thing correctly and in 20-30 seconds. But when you tack on the other layers for checking (smaller, but adds time) the size script takes 45-50 seconds.
The problem is it’s an underlying problem. I’ll figure out a solution. But at the moment, the size script won’t be able to handle more than 4x4" boards if you’ve got a ground pour.
-Nathan
I've found the cause of the problem. My ISP (AT&T Worldnet) was filtering the email. I tried my other ISP (broadband) and it worked. Turned of AT&T filtering and it worked.donblake:
Nope - not using hotmail. I'm using the same address I used for the initial testing starting back on 07 September. All of a sudden, I'm not getting any email back after submitting a design.NleahciM:
if you’re using hotmail - it treats them as spam…Don
Don
sparky:
Nope - it’s not the design that is the problem. Well, not really.Your gerber bottom layer is nearly 68000 lines of text. The size script can process the entire thing correctly and in 20-30 seconds. But when you tack on the other layers for checking (smaller, but adds time) the size script takes 45-50 seconds.
The problem is it’s an underlying problem. I’ll figure out a solution. But at the moment, the size script won’t be able to handle more than 4x4" boards if you’ve got a ground pour.
-Nathan
Hrmmm, I could repour the groundplane in 2004, it might make it easier to handle. The Retry2 board has a large pour too and it didn’t seem to cause any problems…
It is a friend of mines design, and I've been talking to him and he thinks that he can modify the ground pore so that it might pass. He said he'll try to get something to pass the bot on fridaysparky:
Nope - it’s not the design that is the problem. Well, not really.Your gerber bottom layer is nearly 68000 lines of text. The size script can process the entire thing correctly and in 20-30 seconds. But when you tack on the other layers for checking (smaller, but adds time) the size script takes 45-50 seconds.
The problem is it’s an underlying problem. I’ll figure out a solution. But at the moment, the size script won’t be able to handle more than 4x4" boards if you’ve got a ground pour.
-Nathan
I’m getting this error every time I try and submit now:
Zip File Format Selector (Step 2 of 3)
Warning: rename(/home/.sites/133/site55/zips/1132273137/Backup/,/home/.sites/133/site55/zips/1132273137/Backup/) [function.rename]: No such file or directory in /home/.sites/133/site55/web/zipnamer.php on line 616
Error : PCLZIP_ERR_MISSING_FILE (-4) : File ‘/home/.sites/133/site55/zips/1132273137/Backup/’ does not exists
ok, i am unable to replicate, but will look into it ASAP
Timeout should have been extended to 200 seconds, so if you’ve got a big board, sit a wait a bit.
The size script is better and better. Let me know if there is a design that is causing problems.
The international mail thing is driving up the wall at the moment. I have no idea what it’s doing.
-Nathan
