Dear
as i said, accepting small order with <0.5sq.m is our latest role for the customer who needs some small samples. and i found some friends here is looking for supplier like this, so i post here.
RIPPLE
gussy:
StandardPCB:
we do not have much interest in tiny ordersThen you are posting here why exactly??
Dear
we do not have MOV or MOQ. Thanks!
RIPPLE
bigglez:
Please define what tiny means? Do you have a min order?StandardPCB:
in addition, we do not have much interest in tiny orders, which is also not helpful for American custoemrs, as the higher delivery cost.
StandardPCB:
we do not have MOV or MOQ. Thanks!
What is MOV?
What is MOQ?
Remember, we are a hobby forum, not a PCB
purchasing agent.
min order value
min order quantity
i do not consider you as PCB purchasing agent. i just want to give friends here a more choice of PCB fabrication service. Also i would like to learn with each other about PCB.
for the offer, that’s because you required, and then i gave out, I do not know where i’m wrong. if the price you can not accept or dislike , you can ignore or ask phalanx & Batchy to remove it.
RIPPLE
bigglez:
StandardPCB:
we do not have MOV or MOQ. Thanks!What is MOV?
What is MOQ?
Remember, we are a hobby forum, not a PCB
purchasing agent.
StandardPCB:
min order valuemin order quantity
Thanks for the clarification.
If you have friends here why not PM them directlyStandardPCB:
i do not consider you as PCB purchasing agent. i just want to give friends here a more choice of PCB fabrication service.
instead of spamming the whole group?
We don’t need more choice of PCB fabrication, with
the possible exception of those seeking a service
beyond the acceptable limits of the BatchPCB service.
Perhaps that is where you should taylor your services?
Why not put your info on a website and promote its
URL here (only once, enough of your spamming!).
We’re unlikely to email you directly with detailed info
for obvious reasons.
I read this thread when it was created, and took much of the information to heart. The result? Sunstone has a new way to order PCBs:
ssdev:
I read this thread when it was created, and took much of the information to heart. The result? Sunstone has a new way to order PCBs:
Might want to let people know the units of those dimensions.
It's a US site, so im guessing inches, otherwise they are charging way too much for a 1x1mm board :)macegr:
Might want to let people know the units of those dimensions.
I appreciate that you are in the US, but its still quite expensive, in comparison to what we are used to here (most members here who do lots of PCB's use GoldPhoenix).ssdev:
I read this thread when it was created, and took much of the information to heart. The result? Sunstone has a new way to order PCBs:
I plugged in the numbers 2.5x2.5 x4pcs, so im guessing that is 25" sq for $100.
GP will do 155" sq for $99 shipped. I get them within 7 days usually (compared to 10 days from you).
So 25" sq or 155" sq for the same price…
I understand it’s a slightly unfair comparison, China vs USA, but I am Australian so I could care less about being patriotic and buying “Made in USA” 
Also, this proto deal is only available to people in the US. So that count’s me out anyway.
"I understand it’s a slightly unfair comparison, China vs USA, but I am Australian so I could care less about being patriotic and buying “Made in USA”
Thanks for the feedback on the units – yes, that would be inches. And, yes, for now it’s only the contiguous 48 states (but that’s only because we’re including ground shipping in the price). Look for changes to both soon.
It seems to me that with 24/7/365 email support (from folks that really know PCBs) and with boards shipping within 10 days 100% of the time, 7/7 space and trace, and non-rectangular outlines, this is a very good value.
And, for the record, I have no problem with comparisons to China-based services. In my opinion, this service from Sunstone is a better value purely on the economics.
A 2x3 board comes to $49 with 10 days shipping. They aren’t clear on business or calendar days. This isn’t terrible but it’s not great either. I would consider using the service. A similar board from BatchPCB is a bit under $30 but about 30 day shipping.
If you are doing more than one a couple of boards a month, it makes sense to do a panel.
One question for the GP customers - I priced them a couple of times and I never saw a $99 multi-design panel when all costs were considered. It always came to something like 150 when everything was factored in.
GP became less attractive with time. I’m using pcbcart.com now.
pcbcart prices seem pretty high. Their once time tooling charges are pretty significant. Based on that, GP prices are much better. Was your decision based on something other than price?
They don’t charge tooling on subsequent orders of the same PCB. Or shall I say, “almost the same” - they allow changing gerbers without considering it separate PCB. Like you do prototype 3 times and a run - you pay tooling once. All they seem to care about is size, tolerances and drill set.
I will try again to get a quote from GP next time I make a run and compare it to pcbcart. What usually breaks the deal is a second silkscreen which is like $20 extra if you go with GP.
Philba:
One question for the GP customers - I priced them a couple of times and I never saw a $99 multi-design panel when all costs were considered. It always came to something like 150 when everything was factored in.
True, for multi design you need to add $30, so $130. If you want things like different color soldermask and that its usually another $20. I believe that the panels only come with top side silkscreen, but I often get both sides, but that could just be because im a regular…
As for loosing attraction with time, I have found the opposite.
I used to get my production boards done using the “special” $99 panels, now I just tell Shane how many of each board I need and he works it out for me. It often gets cheaper each time, and the prices are MUCH lower than the per panel prices.
batch is taking anywhere from 1-5 business days to even panelize and send it off now.
The last 3 boards i sent in took 5-6 business days to even hit Processing.
Based on the current board i order 2.25x2.5, the wait almost makes it worth it to just pay $100 to GP and get it in 2 weeks instead of waiting. a MONTH.
Anybody that does panel orders from GP, shoot me a message next time you order if you have any spare space i might buy a board or 2 from you.
If you don't like me then stay off my internetz?If you are offended by my post, then don’t post on a competitors forums in the first place.
I think they are completely free to post in a forum owned by an electronics company under “PCB Deal Details”.
You yourself posted a quote from Phoenix, which although is not a direct ‘competitor’ of batchpcb…by your standards doesn’t belong here as it is not a sparkfun entity.
Let them post their deals. This forum is a place to learn, and if somebody does come up with a better deal, then I sure as crap want to know…and it would be pretty silly if these things were sensored.
This forum is PCB Deal details. Not “BatchPCB service”. Unless Sparkfun wants to change that, then it is an open forum…perhaps the guidelines are not clear? Maybe.
…But until this has been defined, I think it is great for PCB manufacturers to offer up their ‘offers’ so that I can choose who is going to meet my needs most. Although I agree with you that nobody has beat phoenix in this capacity, it still should not stand to dump out all other pcb deals…Unless Sparkfun makes this particular forum for just batchpcb customers.
I finally found where you quoted that from, I thought it sounded familiar, as it turns out I did write it.Steel:
If you don’t like me then stay off my internetz?
Any reason for replying to a post made over 8 months ago?
Sparkfun themselves said (quite a while ago), that the idea of BatchPCB was to prototype boards, and then once you finish prototyping with them, to do your production through GPX. This is/was why Sparkfun got GPX to do annoying/small/ever-changing panels, something they otherwise wouldn't do. There also is/was a 5% kickback that SFE got from your direct GPX order, if you mentioned that you prototyped your boards with BatchPCB. It is/was GPX's way of getting larger orders, to make the smaller BatchPCB ones worthwhile.Steel:
I think they are completely free to post in a forum owned by an electronics company under “PCB Deal Details”.You yourself posted a quote from Phoenix, which although is not a direct ‘competitor’ of batchpcb…by your standards doesn’t belong here as it is not a sparkfun entity.
My point is, that GPX is not a competitor but actually like a big brother of the BatchPCB service, in that GPX hopes to ‘hook’ a few large run’s after people see how nice their BatchPCB boards are.
So ‘by my standards’, after your little history lesson, you will see that it is ‘allowed’ here.
The problem is that they spam, and their deals have never been very good value. They are trying to catch out people who are new to all this and who know no better. Myself and a few other forums members are constantly posting in these threads that come up, showing how they are NOT good deals for people. Another member has a PCB that he posts in all these threads, and asks for a quote, same board, different manufacturers. Not once has a good price ever been given.Steel:
Let them post their deals. This forum is a place to learn, and if somebody does come up with a better deal, then I sure as crap want to know…and it would be pretty silly if these things were sensored.
By what logic is this? The tagline to this forum is "Questions about the BatchPCB service", so it is exactly what you said it's not.Steel:
This forum is PCB Deal details. Not “BatchPCB service”. Unless Sparkfun wants to change that, then it is an open forum…perhaps the guidelines are not clear? Maybe.
It has been defined, read the index page of the forums, it's written there.Steel:
…But until this has been defined, I think it is great for PCB manufacturers to offer up their ‘offers’ so that I can choose who is going to meet my needs most. Although I agree with you that nobody has beat phoenix in this capacity, it still should not stand to dump out all other pcb deals…
Again. They have, this is it.Steel:
Unless Sparkfun makes this particular forum for just batchpcb customers.
Apart from dragging up an old topic and putting your websites url in it;pcbcomponents:
The price from GoldPheonix is cost price with no profits.The price from Standard is marketing price.
What’s your point?
i have to agree with Steel here…
this is the pcb deals forum.
so post your deals 
i am always looking for new places to get pcb’s done.
so is everyone else!
Why drag up a topic that is over 2 months old.
corvette123 I have said it before and I will say it again;
The forum is titled PCB Deal Details with the subtitle Questions about the BatchPCB service.