RTK PointPerfect on ZED-F9P - Large Latitude/Longitude Differences Despite High Precision?

Hi everyone,

Recently, I tested the RTK PointPerfect solution with the ZED-F9P module. I collected data once per second using the NAV-PVT message type and ran the u-blox module continuously for 24 hours. The antenna was positioned under nearly open skies with a proper ground plane. All data was stored in a database for analysis.

Throughout the test, the reported horizontal and vertical precision never exceeded 0.14m, which was impressive. However, when I reviewed the minimum and maximum values of latitude and longitude, I noticed a significant difference—over 1.4m!

This discrepancy seems puzzling, considering the precision metrics. Has anyone else observed such large deviations in their data, or could there be an explanation for this behavior? Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

Looking forward to your thoughts.

The last key roll-over was Nov 17/18, 2024
To start diagnosing what exactly was occuring, I think you’d need to collecting UBX-NAV-PVT,SIG,SAT and UBX-RXM-SPARTN,COR
I’d recommend using HPG 1.50, or 1.51 as these have addressed some issue related to roll-over, and the 3 hour delta between GPS and GLO time
Yeah, 1.4m still does seem excessive, I’d probably dwell on the antenna situation, because a static antenna, even in RTK Float should be a lot tighter than that.
Perhaps look at a Sky Map View in uCenter Classic to better understand any obstructions.
The receiver doesn’t really have any gauge of absolute accuracy.

  1. Could you clarify what you mean by “key roll-over”?
  2. I’m currently using HPG 1.32 — are there any known issues related to this version?

Thanks for your suggestions! I’ll do some more research and share what I find here.

You get two keys, pushed in via UBX-RXM-SPARTNKEY, each typically has a life of around 4 weeks, the transition between them has a window of 3 hours as GPS vs GLONASS are on their own time lines, ie Greenwich vs St Petersburg. I’d presume the older one got deprecated/discarded too early.
https://content.u-blox.com/sites/default/files/documents/ZED-F9P_FW100HPG150_RN_UBXDOC-963802114-12826.pdf#page=10

I would be nice to hear from Ublox/Thingsream about “Point Perfect” and its coverage!
I have not found anything from them except ,buy,buy,buy!

Should they provide a bigger map?

By the time you’re in Hammerfest, Norway the Inmarsat is at about 11 degrees on the horizon. I’d probably build my own localized infrastructure

Is there any indication that it’s not working? They have a 30-day free trial, which you could test in uCenter Classic with a ZED-F9P and an internet connection. An L-Band modem configuration might run you $130-$200 USD

You’re in a location that falls within the coverage area of the L-Band satellite service. The concern would then be line-of-sight visibility due to the satellite being rather low in the southern sky.

thingstream-support@u-blox.com

https://portal.u-blox.com/s/question/0D5Oj00000buFDXKA2/is-there-any-user-of-point-perfect-in-sweden

Any SparkFun users in the Scandinavian regions?

Yes I have seen jumps like this also and have talked with UBOX support about it. They say thats why the zed 9r has dead reckoning to correct stuff like this. Also, the really odd thing is that upping the number of nav reading to the number of nav solutions maked the problem worse.